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Violent Deaths in Mexico: Everything Is Not as it Seems

11 August 2010 133 Comments

In recent months the debate about violence in Mexico has heated up significantly. Most news channels and newspapers have been giving a broad coverage on the facts of crime, which are usually focused on the issue of combating organized crime.

When it comes to human lives, it is always difficult to speak coldly about figures. But when we need to know what really is going on, in terms of crime, we can do nothing but refer to them.

The indicator that measures the violence in a country is the number of violent deaths per 100,000 people. It has the advantage of allowing comparisons among countries’ figures with different population sizes and it is highly reliable since in all countries it is necessary to produce death certificates to account for a death caused for any reason whatsoever. Therefore, in the case of violent deaths, there is no possibility that this indicator, unlike others, could observe significant levels of sub report given that violent deaths are registred by law in all countries.

According to available indicators, Mexico as a country has a general level of 13.3 violent deaths per 100.000 inhabitants, making it one of the safest countries in Latin America. Levels in Argentina, Brazil and Venezuela surprised us since they are at high as 16.8, 36.7 and 44.9 deaths per 100,000 population, respectively. Brazil and Venezuela are two and almost three times more violent than Mexico, respectively.

Moreover, if we compare this indicator with some U.S. cities we will see that our country is much better than we would expect to imagine. Comparing Mexico to Washington DC, New Orleans or Detroit the difference is very big, violence is a tangible problem in those cities. And without going too far, Mexico City has 9.8 violent deaths per 100,000 people, far below of other major cities like Houston, with 12.5, Phoenix, witn 12.6, and Los Angeles, with 17.1. It is true that there is a big problem in Ciudad Juarez and three other municipalities, which altogether sum up to more than 50% of violent deaths in Mexico. The rest of the 2,396 municipalities which form the country have relatively low violence levels.

According to figures provided by the Mexican Government, the battle against organized crime has caused 24,826 violent deaths in the last four years. As it is continuosly said, inside and outside the country, it has turned Mexico in an extremely dangerous country to live. A country that sadly some have said is in “civil war” and that is a “failed state.” This is definitely not true.

Although a number like 24,826 seems pretty high, it is time to put it in context. This number represents a little over 6,000 deaths per year on average. Each year, 20,000 people die in Mexico in road accidents and more than 50,000 because of diabetes. If we look at violent deaths to compare, in the U.S. 6,000 veterans commit suicide every year. So, during the same period, the same amount of persons have died as a consecuence of the U.S. post-war trauma, as the war on drugs in Mexico.

And while there is some exposure about this phenomenon in the U.S. media, it does not reach the same exposure as in Mexico. Here we are in a frenzy of daily information that the only thing that portaits is the presence of violence. Our conversations with family, friends, at office, in restaurants, are all about violence. We enroll ourselves and enroll others, including foreigners, in the idea that violence in Mexico has reached unsuspected levels. And there’s no evidence to support that. It is only our perception. We find ourselves filtering and searching all events and news, looking for those that speak of violence. And likewise, those are the news we speak about. It is a conversation, just a conversation.

This has affected the levels of tourism, investment and economic prospects for the country, and it is not supported by real figures, data and facts, it is only a perception. The good news is that we have the power to change that perception. It just takes to take a look at the data and facts.

Ultimately, the best way to combat violence is to leave behind the fear that generates in ourselves and do something that makes us feel safe. We have to realize that by enrolling ourselves and others in a violence conversation we end up being paralyzed. What would be possible if we focus on facts and data to make us and others see that we can be responsible for creating an environment to grow and prosper instead of creating a violent space with our everyday conversations? You have this power, do it for North America and in the end you will be doing something positive for yourself and for others.

133 Comments »

  • Carlos Arias said:

    lee esto, es informacion que vale saberla, al menos para uno mismo.

  • ISKINDER said:

    Excelente sitio! Tengo an`os diciendo lo mismo a muchos extranjeros y mexicanos que me tachan de “patriotera” por desmetir articulos escritos con un sesgo horrendamente propagandistico en contra de los mexicanos o Mexico. Lo triste de esta situacion es ver que son los mismos mexicanos los peores enemigos de Mexico al producir propaganda carron`era que ultimadamente es destructiva para la nacion y ultimadamente para los mismos ciudadanos mexicanos. Esta actitud la comparo con un padre abusador que todo el dia le dice a su hijo, “eres un tonto! No sirves para nada!”. Felicidades y gracias por producir esta excdelente pagina!

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Gracias ISKINDER!!
    Nosotros cremos México con nuestra palabra, con lo que decimos. Nos enrolamos a nosotros mismos y enrolamos a otros en que algo está mal. Y así creamos una percepción y una imagen. La realidad es otra, México ha tenido un progreso muy importante en los últimos años. Cuando hablas de México, hablas de ti. Sigue con una conversación poderosa, aunque no parezca hace toda la diferencia!!

  • Val said:

    Dios santísimo ¿en que país viven ustedes? México literalmente se cae a pedazos por la incompetencia de las autoridades y el hecho de que son las autoridades mismas las que permiten que se sigan perpetrando crímenes desde las carceles.

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Gracias Val por tu comentario.
    México no se cae a pedazos.
    Lo que puedes ver en el sitio son datos, hechos y cifras de organismos internacionales sobre México.
    Como mexicanos tenemos un filtro cada vez que hablamos, pensamos y nos relacionamos con México. Ese filtro o Contexto es que México está mal, está jodido. Y desde allí nos relacionamos y todo tipo de noticias la vemos desde allí. Y si es una noticia positiva le buscamos el ángulo negativo.

    Es lo común y lo ordinario responsabilizar al Gobierno por todo. Qué estamos haciendo como ciudadanos? De qué estamos siendo causa? La queja, la resignación y el cinismo no llevan a ningún lado. Esperar a que el gobierno” haga lo que le corresponde” porque le “pagas” o a que el de “enfrente” tome el liderazgo no funciona. Los “unos” nos quedamos esperando a que lo “otros” hagan algo. Y los “otros” esperan que los “unos” hagan lo que les corresponde. Y nadie hace nada. Te invito hacer una diferencia por México en algún tema que te intereses. Hay muchos proyectos en los que puedes dedicar de tu tiempo libre para servir a México. Y así harás una diferencia. El país requiere gente que dé algo a cambio de nada. El primer paso es quitarte esos lentes, ese filtro desde el cual ves a México y veas qué es México y después veas como puedes contribuir.

  • Jen said:

    It appears that the WHO data is directly related to federal reporting, do you trust the governments to report deaths and crime?
    I am not sure that I do.

  • Michelle Nataros said:

    Great article, however there is one type-o that hugely changes the facts that you have presented in a negative way. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe your reference at the begining of your presentation of the numbers should read 13.XX violent deaths in Mexico per 100,000 people NOT THE PER 100.00 PEOPLE that you published. Please advise and if I am reading this correctly, would it be possible to correct this article and repost it? We need the world to see the facts laid out in an unbiased light. Gracias, Michelle

  • Stuart said:

    As a U.S. citizen and frequent traveler to Mexico I welcome this information for both Mexican and United States nationals alike. I will be bringing my wife and kids to Mexico for the third year in a row for our spring vacation. In addition my wife and I were just there in September last year and just a two months ago. Each time we travel we are warned by family and friends to be careful. Some go so far as to try and convince us of the danger and not to go. This is all based on the slanted media coverage we see almost daily in the United States.

    We love the people of Mexico, the culture and the land itself. Thank you for this well written article. I will pass this along to many who don’t understand the real situation in Mexico with hopes of convincing them of the wonderful place that exists south of the U.S. border.

    Muchos Gracias,

    Stuart

  • Becky said:

    THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU for an article that brings some much-needed perspective to this situation! As an American living in Mexico, I must constantly defend being here!!! Thanks for the ammo!

  • Svi Sigurdsson said:

    I feel safer in Mexico than I do in the United States. My fellow Americans who have never lived there don’t seem to comprehend this.

  • Hilen said:

    Comparto las siguientes paginas porque le van como anillo al dedo a tu articulo, Jorge! Que bueno que en México seguimos habiendo gente con mentalidad positiva y en la muy firme y determinada busqueda de atraer bienestar y buena vibra a nuestro país!!! Enhorabuena!

    Ciudad de México:
    http://www.examiner.com/international-travel-in-gilbert/mexico-city

    Saludos!

  • Hilen Cruz said:

    Jorge, se me paso adjuntar el otro link que mencionaba anteriormente… Hablando de “empowering the Mexican-American relationship” esta es la pagina de mi libro que esta por publicarse la proxima semana en Sonora:

    ‘Ponte las Pilas, México!’

    Para describirleo en breve, la columna vertebral de mi libro es la visa estadounidense de trabajo TN2; sin embargo, el corazon del mismo es exhortar a los jovenes mexicanos a buscar por todos los medios obtener una educacion superior, pro busqueda de su grandeza profesional y por ende la de nuestro país!

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ponte-Las-Pilas-M%C3%A9xico/131191803615067?sk=wall

  • El guero said:

    Things are crazy. There are good people in Mex but they are the few. education isn’t important and the vast majority isn’t educated and only cares about big trucks and being the chingon. They’d rather live like a king for 6 months and die than live for 60 years and work. The families silently know, if their family members don’t have education nor a job and have money then they are part of the problem and family ties and the unwillingness to separate themselves from the evil is a problem.

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Gracias a ti Hilen!!!
    México es un país hermoso y muy poderoso. Simplemente a veces no lo vemos y nos dejamos llevar por una inercia de negativismo.
    Por favor, difunde el sitio. Entre más gente vea la grandeza de México habremos hecho una diferencia!!!
    Jorge.

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thank you Svi for taking a stand for Mexico and sharing with your fellow citizens what living in Mexico is all about!!
    Mexico is a safe place to live as you point out.
    IT is all about perspective!!!
    Jorge.

  • Nick said:

    Well Regardless I have seen two people killed in front of me on different occasions. And to compare Mexico death rate against the United States is a failed argument. The Fact is that The US is a much bigger country with isolated incidents of violence ( like most other 1st world countries). While Mexico is in the middle of a civil war with the drug lords. With comparable number of violent deaths to the US which is a country of almost 3 times the population.

    “And there’s no evidence to support that” – I can’t believe you could actually believe that .

    I live in Mexico, and have done so for a long time, part of my family is Mexican. And I can tell you that Im considering moving as are me Mexican family members.

    Headless bodies ? Those things only happen in Iraq, and that’s not a country you should be compared to.

    Change needs to happen, but to act like its not an actual issue , is naive and ignorant.

  • pat said:

    Thanks God, a voice of reason. Please keep it up.

  • Jorge Mafud said:

    Hello Jorge,

    I have to say that I was surprised by the figures you mention in your post. I would have never thought that Mexico had such “low” levels of violence.

    Now, I think that it is important to notice that, in my perspective, an being that I live in Monterrey (where today organized crime is a big problem) and that I was born in Tampico (where today organized crime is an enormous problem), violent deaths are not the important indicator to take into account.

    Let me explain…

    Tampico was a small, beautiful city. Some years ago the Zetas came and started, not killing that many people, but kidnapping them. I’ve come to know of people who’ve paid ransoms of up to 30 million pesos.

    Of course, all of the people that have the money, have already left Tampico. The problem now is that, if the bad guys can’t kidnap 1 person to obtain 30 million pesos, they have to kidnap 30 to get 1 million per each one.

    Tampico has no nightlife anymore and most people fear to even go out for their daily activities.

    As you may imagine, shooting in public places are quite frequent also but, it may be true, not “that many people” die.

    Monterrey is in a similar condition but maybe not as much. Here in Monterrey, thousands of cars and SUVs are stolen each month and, of course, organized crime is behind it.

    I do not want to sound negative but we do have an enormous problem in Mexico and I think that, even if your figures regarding violent deaths are true, that doesn’t mean our country is even near “ok”.

    Best regards.

    Jorge Mafud
    mafudabogados.com

  • Jesmex said:

    A ver, esos que dicen que México está bien son aquellos que no les han matado o les han secuestrado algun familiar o amigo. Son esos que viven en el engaño y ven los telediarios de Televisa y TV Azteca y piensan que el gobierno no tiene ninguna culpa de lo que está pasando en nuestro país. Casi 40 mil muertos por una ¨guerra al crimen¨ se les hace poco, como dice este artiículo que son de a trece muertos por cada 100 mil habitantes, menos que en otros paises latinoamericanos. O sea que no importa que la gente caiga abatida por balas, son solo trece cada día y quedan otras 99 mil 987 vivas, pasele marchante aqui no pasa nada. Sigan dandole pan y circo al la gente que alcabo no importa si solamente mueren 13 al día. La verdad que da pena leer este tipo de desinformación, donde queda la congruencia y el respeto a los que han caido muertos sin deberla y donde queda el respeto a todos los familiares que han perdido a sus seres queridos en una ¨guerra¨que nadie pidió pero que para algunos veo que no tiene importancia, si México es seguro ven a visitarnos que alcabo solamente mueren 13 al día y no creo que te toque a ti. Que poca vergüenza.

  • Sue said:

    Isn’t it ironic that the U.S. is blaming Mexico for the drug wars WHEN IT’S ALL ABOUT SUPPLYING THE DRUGS THE U.S. WANTS!!! Of course, that in no way denies the horror of the violence that is occurring, but it is concentrated primarily between the gangs at the border towns, not all of Mexico.

    When the U.S. is crime free in Los Angeles, Chicago,New York, Detroit, etc THEN it can point the finger at Mexico. In fact, why doesn’t Mexico put out warnings about the killings and crime in the U.S.?

    I live in a beautiful little town in Mexico that has not had swine flu and no drug violence. IT IS TIME TO GIVE MEXICO A BREAK and not condemn an entire country for what some hoodlums are doing at the borders. Remember most people FLY OVER the border when vacationing in Mexico!

    P.S. Remember the violence during the U.S. prohabition — did warnings go out not to come to the U. S.??????

  • Aysha said:

    Jorge,
    While I appreciate your intention to empower Mexican-American relations, I do not find your numbers “correct”, nor the comparison of violent deaths to other deaths (auto or medical related) relevant to the conversation of violence and safety in Mexico. I have read 35,000 as the official number of drug-related murders, 15,000 in 2010; indicating a significant increase in violence since earliest reports/tracking of Mexican drug cartel murders in the mid-1990s.

    But, as you note, it’s not about mere numbers. Most disconcerting to me is the violence against innocent women – read: http://www.newstatesman.com/south-america/2011/02/ciudad-juarez-women-mexico – and the underlying socio-economic factors. Clearly, U.S. policy fuels this war, and it is a war. Innocent, decent Mexicans are terrorized in their communities. Many roads are unsafe. Kidnappings happen. And the murders are not just “gun related” but preceded by horrible torture.

    To simply gloss over that Mexico may, statistically, be as safe or safer than other countries is to miss the critical point that we should be concerned (not paralyzed by fear) and not only cautious but willing to support activism that might render this drug trade unnecessary and restore peace and a potential for livelihood outside the cartels.

    I don’t have answers. I wrote an article, Is It Safe To Visit Mexico? (http://www.yourlifeisatrip.com/home/is-it-safe-to-visit-mexico.html) and know it’s a complex problem. But to allow it to continue and spread, to be complacent about the corruption and fear mongering (in media and on the streets) is to be asleep and complacent…which is easy to do until your daughter goes missing or your best friend is hijacked or worse driving into Mexico.

    I hope we will stop defending Mexico’s current situation, for the sake of tourism or our own comfort, and open a conversation of possible solutions and effective activism.

  • William E. Thomas said:

    I’ve lived for fifteen years in Puerto Vallarta and have always felt safe and secure. When was the last time you saw the press in the States publish statistics on the number of drug related deaths in any of the major cities? Doesn’t happen!
    It seems as though there is some kind of effort to discredit Mexico and maybe keep the American citizens in the States from spending money and living in Mexico!
    They don’t know what they’re missing!

  • ChocolateCentral said:

    This article doesn’t surprise me, but it may surprise you.I live in a piece of paradise, a small mountain village in Mexico. I tell all of my family and friends, I’ve never felt as safe as I do here. I had a security system in my house in San Diego and in Washington D.C. I don’t even have a dog here in Mexico and I sleep like a baby.

  • Tanya Schneider said:

    I have been living in Mexico for the past 15 years and I feel very safe here. It is a wonderful country. Let’s face it crime is everywhere in the world and has always been but with new technology the media is advertising it all over the world while before it was only known in the immediate neighbourhood. I lived in Vancouver B.C. for many years and there is a lot of drug crime as well!

  • Sil said:

    Las personas que vivimos el día a día, no pensamos lo mismo. Los robos el las calles, los asaltos a las casas cada día mas comunes. Eso no es inseguridad? Los mexicanos decimos ” se robaron tal, pero no nos paso nada” que es eso? El simple hecho de que atentan contra tu seguridad viola tus garantías individuales. Claro que estamos viviendo en un país inseguro y si platicamos de eso es porque es nuestra cotidianidad!!

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  • Alan said:

    Jorge, gracias me identificio mucho con lo que planteas en tu artículo, debemos entender que como mexicanos nos toca ser los primeros en amar y defender nuestro gran país, no sin dejar de aceptar que vivimos una situación complicada, (no peor que en otros países), y que depende de nosotros hacer algo al respecto…
    Atte
    Alan un mexicano muy orgulloso y contento de ser mexicano y vivir en México.

  • Ernesto said:

    All in all is a good article, however the data used as the core research is from 1997-2000, long before the situation in Mexico escalated to the current level. I would estimate the current numbers for Mexico close to Colombia of 1997. You also write “This indicator is highly reliable and comparable between countries of the world, since in all countries it is necessary to produce death certificates to account for a death…” not so,the actual data is only from 77 countries out of more than 200 and it specifically excludes India, China and almost all of Africa. It is good to have a “Reality Check” and more articles like this one would be a great thing to see as long as the research is complete and unbiased, otherwise it makes it look like we are on denial and sticking out heads in the sand to avoid having to do something about it. Please try again, I really believe you have something good there, be proud but complete and truthful.

  • miguel catona said:

    lets all celebrate how safe mexico is with a late night taco at carboncitos. anyone, anyone? mexico is heading down a scary road and you have your head in the sand if you don’t think so. yes i live here, 7 years and its getting BAD.

  • miguel catona said:

    ps everything is as it seems always. you just justify.

  • La Kozak said:

    Cinco familias que conosco desde mi infnacia ya salieron a vivir a USA por que han sido amenazadas y estorcionadas por la famosa vacuna”. Ahhhh, pero solamente cinco de las 2,000 que hay en mi pueblo. Qué tantas son cinco??

  • Sherri said:

    Thank you for posting this article. I have found similar information on the internet in the past, so that I could calm my families nerves. They are in constant fear that something bad could happen to me while living in Mexico. I just wish we could spread the facts quicker than the media is spreading the fear.

    Oh, Jen, While I was doing my research in the past, I found it was harder to find the yearly statistics of violent death in the USA than any other country.

  • Jana said:

    Thank you, Thank you, Thank you,
    I will be moving to Mexico with in the next few months and have been so sick of hearing the negativity from people who only have information from what they hear from the media. In my times in Mexico from every day people, border guards, professionals and expats I have always felt comfortable being in this great country. I would suggest that we get our facts straight about many many things we gossip about because we heard it from the media. This article is awesome! There is absolutely more to be said but not enough space. Keep it up Jorge.
    Jana

  • Allen said:

    El Guero has no idea what s/he is talking about.
    Obviously El Guero does not know Mexicans or Mexico.
    I’m from NYC and have lived in Mexico for 24 years.
    I’ve found the great majority of Mexicans as a group
    work harder and longer than any I’ve ever known -
    often two or more jobs, to provide for family and enable
    their offspring the opportunity for advanced education.
    Frequent evidence of their honesty and tolerance of some
    extremely ignorant foreigners have convinced me that
    they should emulated.

  • Marie Dwyer-Bullock said:

    Muchas Gracias for your perspective. I have lived here for almost 16 years and have never felt unsafe, even with traveling around Mexico in our Motor Home and boon-docking many places. I live in Lake Chapala, and I feel safe to be here and go to dinners and shows and have never ever had one incident. To live in Mexico is a gift.

  • Jutta Barnett said:

    I live in Mexico and I feel safer here then in the States. I can walk late at night and I am safer here.

  • Mexicano Orgulloso said:

    México es un país complejo y su población de más de cien millones no se puede encajonar en una o dos descripciones. Si, hay miles de muertos por violencia y muchos de ellos están asociados con el narcotráfico; pero hay millones que viven una vida productiva, honesta y pacífica, es cierto que eso no sería noticia a nivel nacional o internacional; los muertos a balazos, los decapitados y los enterrados en fosas clandestinas múltiples tienen mayor atractivo para la gente común y corriente que se entretiene, y hasta se divierte, viendo casos grotescos, sanguinarios y fuera de lo común para agregarle algo excitante a su propia vida.
    La gran mayoría de los mexicanos es gente de bien y de ellos es la responsabilidad de tomar las medidas necesaria para que el futuro de México no esté comprometido por la violencia y la delincuencia que genera el tráfico y el consumo de drogas. La solución es tan compleja como el problema y requiere de educar a los niños, en rescatar a los drogadictos, en rehabilitar a los delincuentes, en elegir gente capaz a los puestos públicos, en dejar de creer que el gobierno es omnipotente y que debe resolver todo; el gobierno es solo una parte del todo y si es corrupto pues hay que cambiarlo, hay que informarse, hay que participar y asegurarse que nosotros, nuestra familia, nuestros amigos y vecinos estmos también haciendo nuestra parte.
    Mientras mas mexicanos amen a México y estén comprometidos en hacer su tarea, mas fácil será el llegar a un punto en el que la violencia de estos años solo sea un recuerdo del pasado como lo ha sido lo que pasó en la revolución, la guerra de los cristeros, la lucha social del 68.
    Viva México, vivan los mexicanos honrados

  • Kimberly said:

    I am so glad that someone has thought to put these numbers together to prove what I have been saying all along. I am a Canadian woman that lived in Mexico for three glorious years and I miss it terribly.

    I am a travel agent in Canada and I am constantly having to explain to my clients that the major trouble is in Juarez and not in the tourist regions or the majority of the rest of the country. They forget that there are extremely quiet safe areas of Mexico such as Huatulco which I had the pleasure to live in for a year and half and personally think is paradise on earth!!

    Unfortunately the media in the U.S and Canada only put on the news what will cause a stir with the people they are only worried about making good headlines and not explaining all the facts of each situation!

    I will always love Mexico and I continue to try and send my clients to this beautiful country.

    Hopefully this will get wide spread coverage. I know I will be printing this article out and posting it at work so we can educate people. If you look for trouble, want to buy drugs or act badly in a forgein country of course those people are going to find trouble. But if you are a normal person just looking to take in some culture, eat great food, relax on the beach and meet some of the most amazingly kind people in the world then Mexico is the place to go!!!! Viva Mexico!!

  • pollete said:

    Esta bueno el articulo para poner las cosas en perspectiva….Sin embargo esta muy conformista el creer que por que los demas paises tienen niveles mas elevados de muertes violentas, entonces no debemos preocuparnos.
    Si este articulo hubiera salido con cifras cada año desde hace 4 años veriamos el aumento en las cifras hasta llegar a este 13,3%. Nos sentaremos a ver otro articulo en 1 año con uno 18%? y luego 2 años en verlo en un 24%? … espero que no

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  • ALEX said:

    SOURCES PLEASE. Where did you get these figures?

  • ALEX said:

    Nevermind.

  • LORENA said:

    Creo que más que ser un artículo positivo es un artículo ciego. México tiene millones de aspectos positivos actualmente, pero ser el país “tantito menos peor” en cuanto a muertes violentas, definitivamente no es algo que yo considero positivo.

    Cegarse a la realidad no me parece una buena respuesta a la problemática que se vive en México hoy en día…mejor es reconocerla y decidir sobre acciones realmente positivas para ayudar poco a poco.

  • Tere said:

    Jorge,
    Gracias por expresar lo que yo me he quedado ronca de repetir! Soy Mexicana (chilanga, a mucha honra!) de orígen, pero matrimonio y trabajo me han tenido viviendo en paises del extranjero durante 12 años.
    Cada vez que regreso a Mexico, me parte el alma escuchar al dentista, a las personas del salon de belleza, a mi familia, amigos, etc. todos preguntar si no me da tristeza ver el desastre que es ahora Mexico y demás.
    Mi argumento siempre es hacerles ver lo que México ha avanzado y mejorado. Como México ha madurado, las libertades que hoy se disfrutan que solo hace algunos años les costaban la vida a reporteros, opositores ideológicos, políticos de oposición, etc. No podemos olvidar el Mexico reciente y sumirnos en la depresión solo por darnos cuerda nosotros mismos. No se vale! Me fascina que compartas realidades. Mexico es un país maravilloso, con sus bemoles como cualquiera, pero maravilloso! Tómalo de alguien que ha vivido en MUCHOS países MUCHO peores… gracias!

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thank you Jen.
    I get your concerns regarding the data reported by governments.
    However, these data and figures give us the overall picture of what is going on out there.
    They provide a down to earth basis to make comparisons beyond perceptions.

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thank you Michelle for being present to the figures
    You were right, there was a typo. I just made de correction!
    Regards,

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thank you Stuart for being a friend of Mexico, and thank you for passing along the article!
    You are making a difference for both countries and our peoples!!
    Regards,

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thank you Becky!!
    Sometimes we get so much enrolled in some conversations such as the violence conversation and lose sight of things.We have the opportunity to put in perspective the violence issue.
    Enjoy Mexico and live happy and with ease and freedom!
    Regards,

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thank you Svi.
    Declaration is a powerful way to ensure things occur the way we want!!
    It is all about perspective and stopping being enrolled in “there is something wrong” if you live in Mexico.
    Regards,

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Gracias Hilen.
    Es cuestión de tener la mente positiva y abierta como dices.
    No dejarse enrolar en que las cosas están mal.
    Nosotros tenemos el poder.
    Las cifras muestran una perspectiva muy distinta y hay que difundirlo!!
    Saludos!

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Gracias por compartirlo!! Y si, hay que ponernos las pilas!!!
    Ya te sigo!!
    Saludos!

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thank you Guero.
    It is difficult to generalize.
    Mexico has made a great improvement in education. It is not about being right or wrong. Just what is missing.
    More importantly, how Mexico and Mexicans have treated you?

  • Jorge (author) said:

    The point of the article is that perception is playing a major role in the way we live violence in Mexico.
    It is not about that there is no violence, but rather that the conversation and media coverage is way beyond any proportion.
    By the way, the figures are deaths by 100,000 inhabitants. Hence, the effect of different size/population has been “control” so the comparisons are fair.
    There are pockets of violence in five municipalities but that is not widespread or generalized across Mexico. It is like assuming that the high crime figures in D.C. accurately represent the USA. US is much bigger than D.C.

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thank you Pat!
    Please spread the word and visist the site frequently!
    Mexico is doing a lot of progress in many areas!!
    Regards,

  • Jorge (author) said:

    What does not work is to be enrolled in a disempowering conversation.
    What difference does it make in the world to enroll ourselves in complains and making others wrong?
    We lose sight and perspective. It is about having a powerful point of view!!
    Regards,
    Jorge.

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thank you Sue.
    Very powerful point of view!
    By addressing common issues we are much more bigger than circumstances.
    Regards,

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Just read below.
    Sue has a very powerful point of view.
    We have common issues that we need to address such as illegal guns trafficking and drug consumption in the US, weak police in Mexico, etc.
    The extraordinary is to work towards addressing this issues. Blaming or pinpointing each other is the ordinary.Does not make a difference in the world. What is possible for our countries?

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thank you William.
    Very powerful point of view.
    There are two sides of the story.
    Just by addressing our common issues both in Mexico and the USA we can be better off!
    By having this conversation we are creating this future now!!

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thank you very much Chocolate Central!!
    Regards,

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thank you!!

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thank you Tanya.
    As you pointed out there is an ongoing conversation about violence that is spreading. The issue with violence conversations is that bring violence to existence. Even if we are safe when we enroll ourselves in violence conversations we stop feeling safe.
    Regards,

  • Jorge (author) said:

    El punto es que al hablar de inseguridad creas inseguridad.Si estás seguro y hablas de inseguridad puedes sentir la inseguridad. Enrolarse en conversaciones de inseguridad crea una percepción que no coincide con los hechos y la vivimos como real. El robo a casa habitación existe en todo el mundo como lo comenta abajo Tanya.
    Saludos.

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thank you!

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Gracias Alan por ser un mexicano contento y orgulloso!!!!!
    Lo captaste tal cual!!!!!!!
    Por favor recomienda el sitio. Entre más personas lo vean más haremos al respecto como país.
    Saludos!

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thank you for your feedback Ernesto.
    This was the more extensive and comparable I could find.
    If you come across with more comparable and accurate figures drop me and email. I will update this article in fall 2011.
    However, the point of the article is to highlight the bias and perception we have regarding Mexico. Some people feel safe in Brasil with more than three times violent deaths than Mexico. Nothing more disconnected from reality. And they feel more safe just because they say it so. The power of conversation.

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thank you Sherri.
    It is time to put things in perspective.
    Share this with your family and friends.
    Mexico is a nice, wonderful, and livable country!
    Regards,

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thank you Jana.
    Your really got the picture!
    Media is almost only focused on violence. It is like a filter that determines what you see and what you fail to see.
    In this case the filter allows only to see violence.
    I will keep it up!!

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thank you Allen.
    You have a very clear picture about Mexico and about hard working Mexicans.
    In fact, Mexico is the 4th country in the world where people work more hours a year!!!
    There is a lot of progress but we cannot see it as we are filtering only for violence.

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thank you for the gift of having people like you enjoying and living freely and safe in Mexico.
    Congratulations for the joy and peace you bring with your personal experience in Mexico.
    Please share the site with other people so we can get a taste of what MExico really is when we stop filtering for violence.
    Thank yoiu!

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thank you for sharing!!
    Your Mexico is also Mexico!
    regards,

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Gracias Mexicano Orgulloso.
    El camino es como dices empezar por nosotros y no caer en la queja y en la resignación, en el desánimo.
    El Gobierno es sólo una parte del todo y nos toca a nosotros dar lo mejor y participar!
    Enrolarnos en conversaciones de que todo y todos están mal nos deja sin poder.
    Saludos!

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thank you Kimberly for your words.
    Mexico is a great country as you know.
    There is an ongoing conversation based on a filter by which some people listen only for violence.
    Please share the site with your customers and friends and show what Mexico is really all about!!!!
    Viva Mexico and come soon!!!

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Gracias Pollete.
    Lo que es conformista es quejarse todo el día, magnificar las cosas, generalizar y tirarse a la tragedia, esperando que alguien haga algo al respecto.
    Mucho de esto es una conversación, no todo. Estamos enrolados en la violencia y tenemos un filtro para buscar violencia. Ese filtro determina lo que vemos y lo que no vemos.
    Saludos!

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Gracias!

  • Jorge (author) said:

    You can find it at the bottom of the article!!

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Gracias Tere.
    Justo de eso se trata este proyecto. En este espacio reconocemos y estamos presentes a lo que México ha avanzado.
    Por favor compártelo para que más gente vea el progreso y avance que ha tenido México en los últimos años.
    Es un gran avance.
    Lo que tu ves cuando vienes lo veo yo acá diario. Tu perspectiva es muy valiosa, compártete con todos.
    Saludos.
    Jorge.

  • Jorge (author) said:

    No se trata de “cegarse” pero tampoco de tirarse a la tragedia y al piso, sin reconocer a nada y a nadie. Ninguno de esos dos lugares son poderosos.
    Poderoso es ver qué es posible y actuar en consecuencia.

  • Linda Z. said:

    Great Article—I am an Ex-Pat who has lived in Mexico for the past 4 years.While I hear and read the articles about violence, this has not been my experience. My husband and I have driven through the country of Mexico,along the east coast from Texas to the southern border— near Belize. We have done this 3 times now and each time we see more of the beauty of Mexico.
    Retirment here in Mexico,is affordable housing, food and accomodations are available. Yes, we don’t have all the high technology that the US has, but did we really need them. We live an active and healthy life here in Xcalak, Mexico— a place we call, home!

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thanks Linda for sharing!!
    Great experience you have had in Mexico.
    I guess not all mexicans have traveled all the way from North to South as you have!!!
    Regards,

  • lou brewer said:

    Buenas Dias and HOla: This will be our 11th year going to Mexico, and twice in 2011. We go to Cancun and the Riviera Maya, Akumal area. I retired from 30 years in Law Enforcement 6 years ago and I am very aware of my surroundings and any potential dangers and would never put my family in harms way. I feel safer down there than I do in many of the U.S cities in our area such as San Francisco, Sacramento, Oakland,San Jose Fresno,etc. Over the years we have become close friends with many of the local Mexican and Mayan people and I email with them almost everyday. We find them to be very friendly,kind people. We often get invited to their homes to meet their families and share dinner with them and depart or are greeted with abrazos and besos.
    I often rent a car and we travel around to see many Mayan ruins with never having a problem of any kind. I have often had conversations with local Police and Federalies. I have never been stopped and hit up for a bribe and at all road checks found them to be courteous and very professional but I have to admit they were always impressed with my retirement badge. We always greet the locals with a smile and attempt to use our limited Espanol and they obviously appreciate that. We will keep returning to Mexico as long as were able to.

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  • Isabel said:

    very good article that clearly points accurate information. I love Mexico and have been going there for many many years. I walked in the poorest eras, slept in the mountains and I know it;s a very safe place to live and the kindness of the Mexicans are one of a kind and genuine. My house is your house even the poorest would say!!! I know for a fact some streets of Montreal I don’t walk at night where I feel alright everywhere I went in all of Mexico I have been. I can safely add, I will be moving there in the next few years and hope many more will follow and help build the economy and create employment as they deserve just as much as the rest of the continent to be wealthy! Thanks for the article, crime should be taken in the right context and not thrown out there as a generality!

  • Margo Reheis said:

    FINALLY! Thanks for such an erudite article, and statistics! Although it’s March 2011, and I’m just now being referred to The Catalist … I shall be a fan.

    Backstory: We’re 70 & retired & because we love being “busy,” we’ve run a small “hotelito” (like an inn) for 14 yrs. Our guests come from all over the world (Europe & primarily fr USA). We’re located at the end-of-the-road (up against Belize) on Mexico’s Caribbean coast –a fishing village called Xcalak (shka-lak) in the state of Quintana Roo. That said, I’ve realized (& remarked) I’ve worked harder in my correspondence over these past few yrs, inviting guests to continue visiting this fine country of Mexico. Among our visitors, 98% abhor the US negativity against Mexico & we find that most of our guests are well-educated, independent & adventurous. Additionally, our guests, who arrive into Cancun, must drive 5 hours to come to us!!! Suggesting this country’s care for our safety, and surely providing a welcoming spirit! Otherwise, fewer would consider traveling miles through the jungle to visit us. To live our lifestyle is a bit “different” as we’re quite green w/solar power, no TV, no phones, we collect rainwater into underground cisterns for freshwater use. Unlike our former existence, we now participate in LIVING our lives. Like so many villages beyond the “bright lights” of Mexico’s larger cities, the beauty is palpable. The expats in our area have put on their best faces to be accepted and respected among these Mayan and Mexican people. After 14 yrs we feel we “belong.”

    Therefore, we cringe to hear the nasty tales told to us, or as we read in the US media (on our computers). Might this negativity and the blatantly incorrect reporting, the fear campaign against Mexico make you think that these smears against Mexico could be misconstrued as being a “quasi-conspiracy” by US media, businesses & local governments??? What if they’re trying to deter the now-turning-65-Baby Boomers from taking their money, their SS, property taxes, retirement funds, etc … OUT of the USA – to Mexico; to this land of simplicity, sunshine, family structure, and lower cost-of-living! Think about it! Consider … what better method than to SCARE everyone? (This idea raised recently in a “local” newspaper in a popular city in Mexico, full of ex-pats.) The article also told facts WE KNOW: (1) The USA’s “drug use” is the source of the problems (in Mexico’s and the USA’s Border Cities); and (2) Of the weapons used in these “drug wars,” 70% come from gun shops in the USA!!! Just some food for thought.

    Finally, we, who live here … drive (2.5 hours one way to the nearest supermarket) throughout this country, sometimes (I’m an elder woman, alone), and I’ve never been “afraid.” We go on vacation, to visit other exotic places in Mexico; but we also cross the border into the USA (doing so after researching the “better” crossings, doing so in daylight, and without being ostentatious). We go (personally, to IKEA, Trader Joe’s, bookstores), and to visit friends and family. Frankly, we don’t tarry “up there” because we’re soon longing for the peace & beauty of our incredible lifestyles in Mexico.

    I’ll end with a link (if permitted) of a fine article about the Colonial City of Merida just appearing in The Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/02/AR2011030205529.html

    So, thank you for the article; I’m including it, and The Catalist website, in all letters responding to inquiries we receive about visiting us; and as well, on my website. Keep up the excellent reporting!

  • Alex Martinez said:

    Security in Mexico will be contravercial, Im Mexican and lived in the USA for 19 years. This article is accurate for several reasons. There are people that live in the USA and feel secure but …

    Have you asked the people that live in East L.A, East Oakland, or any of the low suburbs of Chicago, New York or Detroit just to mention a few, where you can get killed by someone just wanting to steal your shoes from you, if they feel secure?

    You can also ask anyone that has suffered the loss of a loved one in any of the schools, mall’s, factories, offices Etc. after someone just walks in and shoots kids and people in general for no reason if they feel secure.

    Yes we have dangerous areas in Mexico with a high crime rates but you wouldnt drive through East L.A. In the middle of the night to go to Disneyland would you?

    Mexico is a beautiful and incredible country full of history and nice people. My advice… Come over and enjoy all that Mexico have to offer. Just don’t drive through the border towns!

  • guru said:

    I HAVE BEEN TRAVELING AROUND SOUTHAMERICA, AND THE FIRST THING THAT PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES ASK ME IS ABOUT VIOLENCE IN MEXICO..

    ALL THIS MEDIA SHOW ITS GENERATED BY THE USA AND MEX GOV TO “PROTECT THE BORDER”, BUILDING THE WALL, AND THE ILLEGAL TRAFFIC OF WEAPONS.

    JUST LIKE THEY DID WITH THE “INFLUENZE” .

    I LIVE BETWEEN CHIAPAS AND RIVIERA MAYA. I HAVE KIDS. WE LOVE IT.

    WHAT I TELL PEOPLE IS THE SAME JORGE MENTIONED, CRIME IS WITHIN THE BORDER OF MEXICO AND USA.

    COMO MEXICO NO HAY DOS!!

  • Sylvia Gottschalk said:

    I love this article. wish one of the major networks in the USA would read it on the air a zillion times.i lived in Mexico for 4 years and have been going there 2 or 3 times a year for about 20 years and i have always felt much safer then i do here in California.Salud to Jorge!

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thank you!
    It really makes a difference when you ask other people to take a look at the data instead of living in perceptions.
    Some people behave nasty but in the end everything starts by spreading and bringing things into perspective and context.
    Please feel free to take any content any time!

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Great sharing!!
    You are always welcome, and thank you for been a friend of Mexico and taking stand for clarity.
    By sharing this you really put in context the data and the news and media.

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thank you Isabel.
    Your sharing really makes a difference in what living in Mexico is all about.
    As you mentioned you have visited the poorest parts of Mexico.
    The migration trens has changed and americans will enjoy what living in Mexico is all about.
    Please share this ias much as you can, it really makes a difference!

  • Jaime Rivera said:

    Por favor, pídanle a un hablante de inglés con buena gramática que les ayude a corregir el artículo. Está tan mal escrito que le quita credibilidad. Yo, que hablo inglés como segunda lengua, noté muchísimas traducciones literales que en inglés no tienen sentido, errores como “lifes” en lugar de “lives” o “according” en lugar de “according to” etc. Yo corregiría el artículo, pero no puedo garantizar que mi versión fuera perfecta, por eso sugiero que busquen a alguien que sólo hable inglés y les arregle los problemas, que son muchos. Un texto bien escrito se toma más en serio.

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thank you Guru.
    It is incredible how the news of violence have spread down to South America.
    Great job by telling people that there are pockets of violence close to the border , and the it is safe to visit and travel in MExico.
    Someone I met from Colombia was surprised to experience Mexico as very safe. He expected to find a “war”.
    Disfruta México!!

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thank you Sylvia!!
    Enjoy Mexico and spread the word!!
    Great idea, if you know someone working in TV or radio please let them read this article.
    It will make them think twice!!

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Gracias Jaime.
    Por suerte la comunidad parece más interesada ahora en el contenido, no han comentado nada respecto a redacción.
    Sin embargo, corregidos los errores que señalas y gracias por el apoyo!

  • Lou Kief said:

    THANK YOU for finally putting the accurate facts out there for everyone to see.

    We have lived in Mexico for almost 10 years and have an on-going love affair with this country and its people.

    For many years Mexico has had to fight the myths and misconceptions of what this beautiful country is really like…especially to Americans .. and always to those who have never bothered to visit their neighbor to the south.

    We are in the process of putting together a non-profit, Continuing Care Retirement Community here in Guadalajara directed to everyone, but especially those people in the US and Canada who have been out-priced from quality retirement in their own country. As a part of that, we need to help remove the level of fear that has been generated in the US and Canada about Mexico in the last couple of years.

    You are so right, we all need to be better ambassadors for Mexico to our friends around the world. Once they come to visit us, ALL of them want to move here.

    Thanks for your great work…We all need to help now.

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thank you Lou!!
    Great job you are doing promoting Mexico and creating an opportunity for retirement In Mexico for US and Canadian friends. Mexico has a lot to offer. The aim of this project is to help our neighbors to get what Mexico is all about and the greatness of this country.
    My invitation is ti share the site ante the articles with as much people as you can to put in perspective what mexico and living in Mexico is all about.
    regards,

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thank you, please use any content you like!

  • hr said:

    I think is more yada yada that the raelity, I’been in detroit last year and seems like a dead zone and arabic territory because alll turbants people over there, I think we will have peace soon but all big countris has problems and mexico is not the exeption but we are working out and our president even if is not brilliant is doing a good job.

    Y Mexico no se puede desmoronar por unas pandillas, tenemos un congreso un gobierno y una patria, es lo unico que tenemos devemos conservarla y defenderla.

    cuidense

  • geordie said:

    Thanks Jorge Again, Posted a follow for my networks at http://blog.cuponismo.com/travel/mexican-travel-advisory.html – Keep posting the great content that you are, I know it’s a lot of work. I can’t even imagine doing this in bi-lingual format. You’re a mad man.

    Geordie
    @cuponismo

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  • Alex said:

    Agreed with most of it. However there are some facts, like the recent San Fernando killings, that drive the violence perception up. It is easy for the organized crime to do what they want when there is such a big impunity and corruption on the country.

  • Fraser said:

    Mexico has a much localized cause of violent death, if you are not in the drug business you are very unlikely to be affected. The same cannot be said for other citied that have a more widespread cause for their violent deaths; as such I would argue Mexico is even safer for the average civilian that has been represented in this article.

  • Fraser said:

    Mexico has a much localized cause of violent death, if you are not in the drug business you are very unlikely to be affected. The same cannot be said for other countries that have a more widespread cause for their violent deaths; as such I would argue Mexico is even safer for the average civilian that has been represented in this article.

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Indeed, a quite often overlooked characteristic of drug related violente in Mexico is that it practically only affects members of organised crime, not common citizens.

  • marla said:

    hola este articulo me parece muy buena informacion parala gente que vive en este pais tan bello y lleno de cultura yraices hermosas
    lo que sea la violencia existe en partes de mexico como los estados que estan en la lista roja que usa estados unidos de norteamerica para avisarle ala gente a donde no debe viajar .
    lo qu no me parecio correcto que pongan a puerto penasco en esta lista que ni siquiera es verdad todo lo que dicen de puerto penasco llamado tambien rocky point salludos a todos y vengan a conocer puerto penaso ,sonora ,mexico

  • Cristina said:

    Me parece que este artículo es precisamente lo que el gobierno quiere que los mexicanos y el mundo crea y piense. No digo que las estadísticas que da no sean verídicas, pero la realidad para los que somos de frontera, en mi caso de Tamaulipas, es otra. Y sí me molesta que minimisen la situación en la que vivimos allá porque para nosotros es el pan de cada día, tener que vivir escuchando los balazos (en el mejor de los casos, porque a mucha gente le toca uno que otro) tener que vivir con el miedo de que van a llegar a tu negocio o a tu rancho a pedirte dinero, de salir a trabajar y no saber si vas a regresar a tu casa. Un ejemplo es la industria del transporte en Tamaulipas y Nuevo León, que está pasando por uno de sus momentos más críticos porque no pueden circular de noche en las carreteras porque secuestran o matan a los choferes y les queman las unidades, secuestran a los autobuses de pasajeros y matan a las personas (van 217 muertos encontrados en fosas clandestinas en San Fernando, Tamaulipas, todos ellos fueron plagiados de atobuses de pasajeros). A mi familia ya le tocó una vez un comando armado en carretera, ellos viajaban en autobus pero el chofer alcanzó a pararse cuando los vio de lejos y se dio de reversa, junto con muchos otros coches; a un vecino mío lo mataron cuando iba en la carretera, a otro lo asaltaron en un autobus, también un comando armado, y así puedo seguir platicando lo que le ha pasado a la gente cercana a mí. Es por eso que esto no lo digo porque salga en las noticias (de hecho no lo pasan), en Tamaulipas sale muy poca información a la luz pública, todo esto lo sabemos porque nos pasa a los ciudadanos y nosotros mismos nos comunicamos por las redes sociales o por radio para estarnos cuidando los unos a los otros de alguna manera. Entonces, sí creo que no es generalizada la violencia en el país, hay estados donde está más recrudecida que en otros, lo cierto es que tampoco hay que quitarle credibilidad a los que estamos viviendo en la “línea de fuego”. Es una cosa espantosa vivir con tanta insertidumbre y sentirse tan desprotegido en un lugar donde no hay ley, porque las instituciones policiacas son sinónimo de crimen. Sólo espero que nuestro país salga adelante, claro, con la determinación de toda la gente buena que trabajamos y formamos México.

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Cristina:
    Capto tu desesperación, lo que significa estar en los municipios donde se vive con violencia y el impacto que hay sobre muchas personas en su vida diaria. El artículo reconoce que hay estados y municipios en los que hay más violencia que en otros. No minimiza nada. Simplemente lo pone en perspectiva, le da un contexto. No se puede generalizar. No es lo mismo Tamaulipas que Yucatán, o DF que Guerrero. Y capto perfectamente que estás en una zona afectada y que es lo que vives. Baste con que sea en algún lugar para que sea atendido. En el fondo lo que el artículo busca es poner las cosas en su dimensión para no dejarse llevar y perder la capacidad de hacer una diferencia. En el comparativo se puede ver que hay ciudades y países -en Norteamérica y Latinoamérica- con muchísimo mayores niveles de violencia que México y en los que no hay tanta publicidad e información al respecto. Así que, además de hechos violentos en ciertos lugares, gran parte de la opinión pública se ha enrolado en el tema de la violencia. Entre más enrolamiento en violencia hay menos participación de la sociedad civil, lo cual alimenta un círculo vicioso. Independientemente de la percepción sobre lo que el Gobierno comunica, lo que hace una diferencia es tomar responsabilidad por la violencia desde que soy fuente y causa. Ver qué es lo que como ciudadano puedo contribuir en el asunto y ponerse en acción.

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  • CruisewithMike said:

    Wow! Great Article. As a travel professional, this is a subject which I have blogged on a good bit, and I applaud your efforts. It’s about fairness and impartiality in reporting. Mexico while certainly being caught in a virtual increase in violence first the violence is not being directed at their general public, just at the Drug Cartels targets. Once again (unlike here in the US) Mexico’s bad guys seen better marksmen than our own gang members can shoot, who manage to hit innocent by-standers. What really jacks my jaw, is how foreign news magnets, are able to put out such biased, ill flavored reports, and yet manage to have our US Public in alarmed stage, US Travel Providers withdrawing service to certain stops which only continue to throw fuel on an unchecked fire. One of our most violence torn city’s in the US Miami Fla, has also been a similar proportioned rise in violent killings, yet you don’t see a drop inany Cruise Ship service to Miami do you? Fact is these same news outlets wouldn’t dare report such news, WHY IS THAT THE CASE? Government Officials, Travel Convention Visitor Bureaus wouldn’t tolerate having such reports that have nothing to do with their tourist, being allowed to affect their travel commerce. So Why the Double Standard? They talk about how unchecked Drug Cartele Violence is in Mexico. Seems the same situation exists with responsable news reporting. Great Article Thanks for continuing to keep the BIG PICTURE in your Photo Lens!!

  • Mike said:

    Hola Val!

    Sin lugar a dudas creo que las estadísticas sin lugar a dudas reflejan la realidad de la seguridad del país, sin embargo, quisiera dar dos puntos de vista: el primero es que las cifras quizás estén muy por debajo de la realidad mexicana, lástima que es algo que no se puede medir ó por lo menos nadie lo ha intentado. Mi segundo punto es la percepción; en México se tiene un gran ambiente de inseguridad por el nivel de corrupción que el crímen organizada ha encontrado en las instituciones. En muchas ocasiones no puedes acudir a la policía, los cateos del ejército son atroces y dañan las principales garantías individuales, la falta de profesionalización por parte de las organizaciones encargadas de la seguridad pública y además debemos de tomar en cuenta las posibles conexiones entre el Gobierno Federal y los narcotraficantes. Más que las cifras, esa percepción (y realidad) es la que verdaderamente daña la visión de nosotros los habitantes. Si existiera un indicador que correlacionara las muertes por cien mil habitantes, con el nivel de corrupción de diferentes organismos, creo que se podría modelar mejor la realidad mexicana.

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Entiendo de lo que comentas que tienes tres puntos de vista. El primero con lo confiabilidad de las cifras y el segundo la percepción que hay en la ciudadanía. Respecto al primer punto, como lo señala el artículo el indicador más confiable es las muertes violentas porque requieren un certificado de defunción. Así que temprano o tarde quedan registradas esas estadísticas y es algo estándar en todo el mundo. Respecto al segundo punto sobre la percepción de inseguridad te comento que es justamente el propósito de este proyecto relacionarnos con México no desde las percepciones, sino desde los datos duros. Más allá, mirar a México desde un contexto que nos dé poder para actuar e ir hacia delante. En el que los problemas son oportunidades para el liderazgo de alguien. Donde nada está mal, sino simplemente hacen falta cosas. Así que es posible cambiar la percepción, cambiando el contexto y es un esfuerzo individual, no requiere de nadie más que de uno mismo. Por otra parte, el tema de la corrupción de cuerpos policíacos y organismos se está abordando al combatir al crimen. Es a partir de esto que ha quedado expuesto que hace falta desarrollar y consolidar instituciones con las fortalezas, competencias y recursos para hacer frente al crimen organizado en los municipios que concentran la voiolencia.

  • Mexico Getting a Bad Rap - Journey Mexico Blog said:

    [...] The article begins by stating that 34,000 people have died because of the drug war, yet it does not point out that that virtually all of the drug related violence has taken place in only a few specific boarder towns or that tourists and innocent bystanders have not and are not being targeted. The article makes no effort to contextualize these numbers with US murder figures as they would have had to acknowledge that Mexico has a murder rate of about 9.8 per every 100,000 people, which is actually less than that of US cities like Phoenix (12.6), Houston (12.5), and Los Angeles (17.1) (source). [...]

  • Roberto said:

    This article is misleading… it says that Mexico has 13.3 deaths per 100,000 people… but this data is from the year 2000 (according to the notes on the available indicators link) … in 2000 we had much less that we have now… 33 persons died today in Monterrey, a peak maybe but average is 10 persons a day …

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Even though figures have increased in recent months, Mexico remains among the least violent countries in LatinAmerica. Indeed, there are some pockets of violence in four municipalities in the North that account for as much as 50% of the deaths.

  • Mexico Lindo said:

    Gracias Jose,

    Puede ser que el numero/porcentaje de muertes violentas sea incorrecta pero la verdad que la propaganda negativa que da EEUU contra Mexico es claramente un ataque politico. Desde que Mexico deserto a EEUU empezando con la guerra contra Iraq las relacionen en ambos paises no han sido las mismas principalmente por parte de EEUU castigandonos en varias maneras una de ellas aportando inteligentemente en nuestra destruccion.

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Gracias Mexico Lindo.
    Justo este sitio pone en perspectiva esa cara de México que no se conoce ni dentro ni fuera. EL poder de tener una imagen que nos refleje poderosamente depende de nosotros y la podemos crear con base datos duros. México no está mal, está mejor de lo que creemos. Sólo faltan cosas.

  • Mexico Getting a Bad Rap | Land, Luxury, Leisure... said:

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  • Vaughn Juares said:

    Every country has violent crime centers. I’ve been to Chicago and DC in places that give Rio’s worst streets a run for their money in terms of violence.

    It’s insane to not visit a city in Mexico that is safe, such as Merida, because there is violence in Tijuana. That’s like saying there’s a lot of murders in Los Angeles so you should cancel your trip to Minneapolis.

    Great article. I’m sure the government may not be 100% accurate, but it’s clear from just being in these cities that most Southern-Mexican population centers are safer than the capital of the United States.

    Cheers;

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Thank you Vaughn.
    Indeed, there are some generalizations that portrait a very inaccurate picture of Mexico. Also, there is a very outdated image in US media and american public regarding Mexico.This site is all about refreshing and updating Mexico´s image. There has been a lot of progress and there are some challenges but Mexico has undergone a huge transformation during the last few years. Please keep on visiting the site and sharing what Mexico is all about.

  • Good news for/about Mexico — someone’s finally doing the math. | casita de las flores said:

    [...] Violent Deaths in Mexico: Everything Is Not as it Seems TheCatalist.org. 11 August 2010 [...]

  • Our National Pastime is Self-Terrorization. Violent Death is at an All-Time Low « Pax on both houses said:

    [...] And finally, although Mexico is currently experiencing a horrifying wave of drug-related deaths, even there violence is far less than it seems. Mexico City, for example, has fewer violent deaths than Houston, Phoenix, Los Angeles, Washington D.C., New Orleans and Detroit. http://thecatalist.org/2010/08/violent-deaths-in-mexico-everything-is-not-as-it-seems/ [...]

  • Ivan said:

    Estimado Jorge antes que nada un reconocimiento por el trabajo que has realizado. Sin embargo creo que hay un detalle que se ha pasado por alto. Los numeros que reporta el sitio Peace Monitor de donde tomaste los datos son de 2001. Como te daras cuentas hay casi una decada de diferencia. Me pregunto si esto cambiara las cosas de algun modo. Seria bueno echarle un ojo a otras fuentes de informacion para ver como ha evolucionado todo esto. No quiero ser pesimista pero creo que el 13.XXX pudo haber subido. Lo cual seria evidencia para demostrarle por enesima vez a Calde Ron que su estrategia es un fracaso.

  • Jorge (author) said:

    Gracias Iván.
    Las cifras de muertes violentas han subido en los últimos meses. Sin embargo, sigue México por debajo de Brasil, Colombia, Venezuela, Detroit o Nuevo Orleans, y sigue siendo mucho mayor la cobertura en medios y en la opinión pública que en otros países con niveles similares o superiores. Próximamente publicaré una actualización en el que se podrá ver esto en detalle.

  • Fernando Vidal said:

    Yo estoy con el Sr. Jorge Mafud, no podemos basarnos en estadisticas del gobierno en cuanto a muertes. Porque? porque nisiquiera son completas.

    Que pasa con todos esos cuerpos que estan en fosas comunes y clandestinas que el gobierno jamas ha encontrado? Que pasa con todas esas balaceras entre narcos, donde quedan las camiomentas hechas pedazos y sangre por todos lados pero no se ve ningun cuerpo. Todos se los llevan y esconden.

    Que pasa con aquellos cuerpos que el crimen organizado “pozolea” que echa en acido para deshacer los cuerpos?

    Que pasa con todos los secuestros, robos, etcc. Que pasa con todos los crimenes no reportados por miedo.

    Que pasa con las cifras maquilladas por gobernadores de estados?

    Creanme, esos numeros solo son la punta del iceberg.

    Hay que ser honestos e investigar, en vez de andar buscando datos para justificar. Lo que se vive es lo que la gente siente a diario, no lo que un papel este diciendo.

  • The Days of Guadalupe | Mike in Mexico said:

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    [...] in the United States and also likely due to the fear mongering that Mexico is dangerous (see this great link for some stats on the overall safety of Mexico – thanks to Kai and Sheila for posting [...]

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    [...] to. Just like anywhere, I am careful but, “living in fear?” Please… There are parts of Los Angeles or Washington, DC that have a great deal more crime and violence than we do. But this past weekend, talking to friends [...]

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